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<bpotetz> (SPOILER) I thought maybe it was a little bit easier. On one hand, the solution is somewhat more involved. But on the other hand, removing the excess machinery reduces the problem state substantially, and it reduces the level of misdirection (intentional misdirection or otherwise). However, it might also be that when I first played TooManyLasers, I spent a lot of time persuing an approach like the one in this level, plus several others that I now think are impossible. So other people may say this level is harder. |
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<bpotetz> Thanks, mjn! I wish I could have seen your approach. |
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<bpotetz> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 932 moves (old: 1176). This "speedrun" should be easy to beat. Yeah, the red spheres and grey square puzzles were awfully familiar. I did like the teleport-box puzzle, though, even though it was pretty easy. |
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<Doom> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 71 moves (old: 73). <bje> (SPOILER) The level, of course, is only about showing off the timer. I didn't try to optimize the number of bots used for the digits. There's a couple of ways one could try. A very big level and metal blocks sliding onto coloured buttons might do it. A smaller number of bots doing short teleporting walks with other bots flipping the buttons in their paths, perhaps. And of course noting which tiles are on more than they are off, and only turning them off when they're not needed. All of which sounded way too much like hard work. :) |
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<bje> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 1176 moves (old: 1179). |
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<mjn> Whoops, how do I keep doing that? The previous comment should be on this level, naturally. |
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<mjn> (SPOILER) That timer is pretty cool. Man, multiple digits would be tough. I can think of a way to do a single digit with 5 robots (probably), but I can't think of a good way to prevent the robots controlling the higher digits from moving when it's not their turn... |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) I found this one really tough, by far the hardest thing being that damn trap right below where you start. |
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<KWM> 'Nevermind' uploaded by KWM: This level looks a little sloppy and I ripped off a few ideas, but I think it's fun. |
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<John Lewis> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 73 moves (old: 77). <Doom> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 77 moves (old: 85). <Tom 7> (SPOILER) Really easy, but that timer countdown is worth style points! Bonus points for someone who figures out how to scale it to multi-digit counts ;) <bje> 'Tick Tock!' uploaded by bje: This level is just silly playing around with bots. |
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<mjn> (SPOILER) Whoops, I'm over the maximum alternate solution length! Anyway, my method was pretty different--I moved the reds out to the corners and lined up everybody else in the inner ring, then moved the ring around, swapping in reds temporarily to displace the other guys relative to each other. <mjn> (SPOILER) Hey, this isn't so hard once you get going--once you figure out how to move things around, it's all downhill. And it really feels like a physical contraption, too. This level rocks. |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) I'm guessing that it's just teasing. I personally hope to see more levels from you, I just hope you take to heart the lesson that performing a repetetive task is not the same as being hard. I do like the theme of being "just this close" to the solution the entire time, and this level realizes that theme well with the hugbot in the center. <KWM> Is that a friendly joke, or do you dislike the level? It's hard to tell when you can't hear voice tone. <Feanor> This level should be called "Kurt-was-murdered always has to do tings the hard way" |
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<bpotetz> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 121 moves (old: 126). Clever. |
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<Max> I found this one pretty easy, actually... |
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<John Lewis> Weird...when I solved this, my move count was exactly at 999. ;-) (The game automatically optimized it to 847.) I really need to improve my speedruns on these longer levels... 60 levels left (actually, 59 now)... |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) This is a tight level, but I agree that the first part was a bit repetitive. I do also see that is sort of the point of the level, so... |
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<Doom> (SPOILER) Of course it's been more complicated than that to make the program work. I wasn't talking about writing the program. Just using it. But I know what you mean. Personally, I don't have any real problems with Adam using his program. I'm not that much of a speedrunner anyway. They're mostly a cool addon in the game. But it's also more cool to do things yourself than letting something do them for you. Adam might have the most speed records in the future, but people like noname will still be the best speedrunners... |
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<Doom> (SPOILER) The first part was a little too repeating for me, but the bot pushing in the end was more interesting. |
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