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| The Worst Is Behind You |
Thu 26 May 2005 20:03 |
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<Tom 7> Man, this one is tough. |
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| revenge of the computers 1 |
Thu 26 May 2005 14:47 |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Also, I am not counting the first move, which I believe is forced, so that's really a depth of 18.
<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Since this one was made by computer (and I am stumped) I tried to solve it by computer, using my Ricochet Robot solver (the game is very similar).
Can someone who has solved this level help me figure out if I have a bug in my program? Define the "complexity" of a solution to be the number of times that the player switches from pushing around one block to pushing around a different one. (All levels on 5 blocks then have a complexity of at least 4).
What is the minimum complexity of the solution for this level? For Ricochet Robot, I never see complexity higher than about 11, even for very hard levels. But I ran my program on this level up to complexity *17* and didn't find a solution (50 hours of computer time)! I find it a bit hard to believe that the complexity is really this high: The speedrun at 414 moves could correspond to a higher complexity, but only if the individual moves are pretty short (~24 each). However, I also think my program is correct. Anyway, if someone can tell me the complexity of his solution, that would help me know if it's hopeless to try to find a solution automatically, or hint that my program may have a bug. |
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| Button Blocker: The Challenge |
Wed 25 May 2005 22:36 |
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<John Lewis> For those who thought the original was too easy. :-) |
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| Kung Fu Movie, Scene 2 |
Wed 25 May 2005 18:24 |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 38 moves (old: 70).
Cooked: If daleks colide on a panel, and then the resulting broken bot is pushed off, the panel nets a "permanent" swap, since that's two bots stepping on but one bot stepping (pushed) off. This can be used to solve this level quickly, especially if we let some extra bots block the lasers for us. |
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| Seventeen Years |
Wed 25 May 2005 17:16 |
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<Tom 7> nLogic: the original solution is automatically included when you upload levels. (Although this wasn't true before the speedrun system was implemented, which is why you'll sometimes see people upload Original solutions for old levels.) |
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| Playground1 |
Wed 25 May 2005 16:39 |
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<nLogic> (SPOILER) Cook: I went down, grabbed the grey block and exited from the left side, ignoring the entire right half of the puzzle. But maybe you're supposed to do that? |
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| Real Deadly |
Wed 25 May 2005 13:23 |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) I like the giant Dalek, but the level is pretty loose. It would have been harder if the lasers triggered by the red panels were more troublesome; my solution turned some on but they didn't get in my way. |
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| Seventeen Years |
Wed 25 May 2005 13:02 |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Added solution "Tom's Method":
Cooked: Here's a totally different way of solving it. Nice level, though. |
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| Button Blocker (v2) |
Tue 24 May 2005 21:42 |
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<John Lewis> Fixed - please delete old version. |
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| Button Blocker |
Tue 24 May 2005 21:35 |
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<bpotetz> (SPOILER) Cook: I guess so. If the hugbot isn't stuck when he presses a button, when you leave the heart-frame hole, you push out its pipe-block doorway, which you can use to push the buttons. This has good potential, though.
<John Lewis> This level will be cooked, I just know it...:-) |
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| Around the Block |
Tue 24 May 2005 20:28 |
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<John Lewis> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 1004 moves (old: 1098).
I want the speed record to be under 1000!! |
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| And They're Off! |
Tue 24 May 2005 18:03 |
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<bpotetz> (SPOILER) Thanks. It wasn't so pretty the first time.
You could probably make a fairly hard level based on that type of moving-target pipe-pushing.
<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Very slick with the wires, B.
<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Man, it was really annoying when I left the bot at the bottom-left, thinking, "I can just do that later." |
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| Bigger Waste of Time |
Tue 24 May 2005 17:40 |
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<bpotetz> Sorry! Don't give up! |
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| revenge of the computers 1 |
Tue 24 May 2005 17:36 |
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<bpotetz> I only *wish* this type of level was my style. But I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more of these.
Wow! Thanks for the cool new user ID, Tom! |
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| And They're Off! |
Tue 24 May 2005 17:32 |
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<bpotetz> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 367 moves (old: 451).
Levels that force the user to redo the entire level depending on innocuous-seeming decisions in the beginning will probably have more speed-runs. |
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| Smile |
Mon 23 May 2005 22:19 |
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<John Lewis> (SPOILER) Oops, didn't mean to do that... |
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| cake castle catacombs |
Mon 23 May 2005 16:47 |
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<Zoogie> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 190 moves (old: 193).
Oops. |
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| Uncomplicated |
Mon 23 May 2005 16:05 |
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<Max> (SPOILER) Cook: Never used the gold block or the panel it seems to be aimed at... |
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| The Great Escape 2 |
Mon 23 May 2005 15:11 |
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<Tom 7> (SPOILER) BTW, I'm not claiming a cook even though it doesn't say "ESCAPE" when I finish. ;)
<Tom 7> (SPOILER) Added solution "Tom's Method":
This is a great mod.
Although you suggest playing the original first, I think it's okay to just start with this one -- you will discover the solution to the original on the way, and be pained at how close you can get.
I solved the last part a slightly different way (looks "harder", for what it's worth)--the main difference is that I use the stray bot to remotely do some things that are too dangerous to do in person. ;) I'm attaching my solution just in case anyone's interested. |
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| revenge of the computers 1 |
Sun 22 May 2005 21:03 |
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<John Lewis> Definitely computer-generated. Pieguy, who is also a Chip's Challenge player, released a set of computer-generated block-pushing CC levels a while ago. Most (in my opinion) were really easy compared to this. :-) He's also made a bunch of insanely hard levels for that game, so I wouldn't be surprised if several Potetz-style levels start popping up here. ;-) |
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