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<Dave> (SPOILER) Nope, I solved it Gary's way. I really couldn't see any other viable approach: logically, to me, it seemed the only way. I'm actually quite surprised you found an alternative, and I'm now really curious... Did you manage go the other way with the bombs, or am I completely off track? <Jim> (SPOILER) I finally solved this one, took me forever. I'm curious Dave, did u solve it the same way as Gary or differently? I found another way. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 184 moves (old: 266). Nice variation. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 79 moves (old: 104). I don't think you need to prove anything. :) |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 826 moves (old: 958). Shaved at bit off Dave's run. Extra style point now that I fully understand the timing aspect. Great level once again. <Garygoh884> (SPOILER) By uploading this level it shows a fix from my possible cooked level (by mark), as per Dave's recommendation. Dave: Should I decide to reupload for fixing, the style rating may, or may not differ from previous. I'm not giving away bad senses of integrity to others, however I should've listened to you. I should only upload levels that are difficult to cook in just my first attempt. mark: I realized that a cook could open a window of opportunity to you in hopes of getting my method of solving. Cooked levels gives you an idea of how my level should be normally solved, and that would easily solved for fixed levels, even for minor tweaks. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Gary, In case you haven't seen Mark's short cut, I'm uploading a quick-fix of Rewired Insanity while the speedrun on the original shows an uncooked solution. Gary, if you'd prefer to keep the original, let me know and I'll delete mine. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 836 moves (old: 849). Much closer to the original, I completely failed to spot the cook Mark used. This is a great level and well worth solving the proper way... the middle room design is evil (took me ages to crack it - brilliant). I really recommend you fix and re-upload this Gary. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) I did this much like Dave did, just not as efficiently. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Great level Gary .Spent a few frustrated hours on this it was all a bit catch 22 for a while. Speedrun could be improved no time left now. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Nice run Dave I like your style gives nothing away.Well I've had a new look at this level speedrun is now 43.(spoiler alert) Made another fun mod instead of speedrun again. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Nice solve Mark. <mark> (SPOILER) Added solution "mark's way": Decided to give this another go today. A cleaned up version of my first solve 2848. Totally differernt way to the other two solutions. Great fun level even if cooked a little. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Oh wow, I can't believe I never noticed that and I'm actually glad I didn't. I had great fun with that level. I played around with it quite a bit the last 2 days, I'm pretty sure that is the only way it could be solved. <Dave> (SPOILER) Jim, the spoiler is in the level not in the comments. Look a bit 'deeper'... <Jim> (SPOILER) I don't understand what you mean, when you say that you somehow unintentionally gave the solution to Superintensive Plumbing? <Garygoh884> (SPOILER) Hi Dave, For the mentioned Wire-based levels I designed, yes. Working on such levels requires a moderately high degree of innovation, and patience - for maintaining a unique solution in the process. Proving to have a unique solution and maintaining inituivity was my challenge to achieving peak difficulties and great designs within each level. What brought me into the development of those levels was the utilization of complex properties by Wire-based tiles. On one hand, most were used for simple and complex mechanisms - and on the other hand, discovery of such unseen properties would help creating complex and brain-intensive levels if utilized, so those were what I deduced in making such levels. The deletion of those flawed levels were all of my mishap. One can be cookable to unethically discover the original solution the easy way. That one was Intensive Plumbing. And the other, which I untentionally gave off the correct solution - it was Superintensive Plumbing. My intentions was to work flawlessly as many levels as possible while maintaining hints of innovation. Unfortunately for some, flaws were left behind after submitting to the server. I hastily moved them to the graveyard - assumed afterwards those were 'just-for-fun' levels. And lastly, for difficulty rating set for Chaotic Assembly, having a 7 is too easy for a few players. How would moderately-challenged players would enjoy such a difficult level as though this degree was good for them? This difficulty level could be higher. Expert players prefer to play seemingly difficult levels. Casual players prefer to play easygoing and simple levels. Getting the right rating to suit the right players is always impentuous. <Dave> (SPOILER) Hi Gary, Re. Plumbing Intense Plumbing if not cookable would have been a great level. I'm not so convinced about Superintensive Plumbing. As for Chaotic Assembly: If rate a level first I base the rating purely on the time it took it me to solve it (1:45 ish), but I'm begining to think that D=7 might be unfairly low - we'll see. Anyway, I have a question: Do you actually rigourously prove the intended solutions are unique, assuming they are, or just work intuitively? Dave. PS. New level in pipeline... give me a few days. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 386 moves (old: 572). Not quite according to plan... still fun though. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Great level Gary, I still haven't solved this one. I need one more L shaped piece with the way I thought it would be done, and now I'm having trouble thinking of another way that will work. |
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<Garygoh884> If I'd reuploaded the next level for fixing, its solution would be identical to this level's. I don't want my levels to be easily solved by just replication commands. This does so for fixed levels in triage, right? Because of this, they do have a lower style rating in nature. They're quickly solved. And they follow a similar pattern inherited from previous solutions from originals. Those reasons drew my concern over uploading cookable levels. I preferably avoid uploading those levels in future just for plain fixations. <mark> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 349 moves (old: 1243). Sorry Gary but this happens to me all the time as well. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 85 moves (old: 89). That took longer than it should have. Thankfully I did it the same as way Jim or I could have still been at it come Christmas.In fact, the critical final 25 moves are identical. |
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<N7DOT> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 277 moves (old: 279). time for the slow incremental improvements of two steps <N7DOT> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 279 moves (old: 292). waste extra bomb to allow faster bomb grabbing |
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