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<Dave> Agreed. At least under this ruleset we are allowed to use 'b'... but should I flag this as a spoiler? <radiant> Isn't it nice to play a game that refuses to honor such stupid decrees? |
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<radiant> (ignore previous comment; wrong level) <radiant> Isn't it nice to play a game that refuses to honor such stupid decrees? |
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<kyran> (SPOILER) Cook: I used bombs to blow holes in the walls, skipping a section. |
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<radiant> The concept behind the level is a good one, and with a different block layout (and a less aggressive assault on the board with each flip) it could be turned into something nice, but this isn't it. <N7DOT 3> well, thank you for the comment, but i don't think it is best in triage, however, it will still be available in graveyard, incase anyone is interested. <Dave> Deleted and difficulty 2? This is the first new level for months that's taken more than half a hour to solve! Each to their own, I guess. However, it is bit irritating to play and has much more brute force trial and error than the elegant levels that inspired it. Definitely, IMHO, not your worst level and nowhere near as irritating as some levels still lurking in triage. <N7DOT 3> (SPOILER) What cook? As far as I know, you have to activate the last panel by stepping over it! I also don't see any other cooking things during the level. However, I'll delete this level, seeing that it's no good. <radiant> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 423 moves (old: 1292). no |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 147 moves (old: 149). Probably minor variations. |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Cook: You can skip the whole bottom left teleporter section by pushing blocks into the yellow electric tiles around the exit. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) I agree, it does look unlikely, but... The 18 split seemed optimal until 17 was stumbled on .-) Also, 4 of the 17 moves in stage 1 and 8 of the 23 moves in stage 2 are either net zero or net negative, the rest being made up for in boosts, this gives quite a bit of manoeuvring room. If an improvement existed, I would expect it more of the form 20:19 where part of stage 1 is used to prepare stage 2. To me, the style points in this level come from the counter-intuitiveness of it. I now see that the reason I never solved it before was because it is so hard to tell a winning position from a loser. What at first sight seems the best split position turns out to be the worst and vice versa. I don't think I've seen that to such an extent in any other bot-pushing level. <radiant> (SPOILER) A faster split time to part 1 seems unlikely, since the key square is already 16 spaces from start (and even if you're not the one to trigger it, you can't get a bot to go there without going at least as far out of the way anyway). When I stumbled upon the original solution that allowed me to upload the level (18+38; improvable to 17+36), I particularly liked it because it took full advantage of the grid dimensions that had been standard ever since Single File. That aspect is lost in the optimized route, which likely costs the level some style points in the long run. (So does the poor laser mechanism which adds a 19th column to the grid, thereby shrinking the thumbnail.) |
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<mm> You guys are fast! <mm> Great level and speedrun! |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Cook: You can ignore the green and grey tiles, and the top switch. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Cook: Seem to have a stray bot here... <radiant> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 142 moves (old: 275). nice blue square you've got there |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Cook: The two right columns of wire don't need to be fully flipped. |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Cook: Door doesn't need to be woken up. |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Cook: Just press "D" |
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<Dave> Here's a little tip: http://escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/####?spoilers=1 change the #### in the url to the level of your choice and read the comments so that you understand the concept of the level before claiming a cook (also download the original solution). I can't recall ever cooking a Max level ;) <Dave> @Karlodinium: Pressing the Y key is NOT a cook. The whole concept of the game is that there is no hidden information, that's why the Y hotkey does what it does. |
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<Karlodinium> (SPOILER) Cook: Only push the top steel blocks 3 spaces, then use the teleport. |
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