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All mod cons 18 Wed 22 May 2013 18:21
<Jim> (SPOILER) I agree with MM, I think you should bring this level back. It has a different solution that I think future players would enjoy seeing.
 
All mod cons 20 Wed 22 May 2013 18:19
<Jim> (SPOILER) Hallelulah, I now solved this level too. Whew, I can turn my brain off for a while!
 
Mods chat level Wed 22 May 2013 17:28
<mm> (SPOILER) Thank you for answering, Mark. I guess I've already tried it all, and of course I just can't think of any possible things I haven't tried yet! Not using a slider indicates that the blue sphere holds the laser, but also indicates that a tile will be needed in the left corner of that compartment in the middle in order to get that blue sphere out there. That tile will be missing elsewhere! Anyway, whatever I do, I'd need one more tile. And not using the blue sphere to hold the laser absolutely seems worse.

<Jim> (SPOILER) I like the idea of discussing levels, but I hate the idea at the same time if that makes any sense. From Mark's comment of not using a slider, I was able to solve level 19 in a half hour, mainly because that was the missing element I never even considered before. So for me, it was TMI. Half of me is very grateful b/c it put me out of my misery of thinking about this level, but now that I know, its like Tom always says - once you know how to do a level, you wish you figured it all out by yourself. I loved the solution by the way, another great level. Onward to 20 now for me (the torture level is sure to go up).
<mark> (SPOILER) mm if you start the level the the same as 17 when blue sphere holds down left laser you can push 2 balls up to a transpoder tile.
before leaving the ballroom you can push that tile in both directions leave it one space below red panel. You will be able to get it back to turn green and blue later.
clever usage of slider positioning is also needed as to get the blue sphere back a different way.
<mm> (SPOILER) I've got no clues at all & those two levels are driving me crazy, too. Trying to solve them is a torture, I agree. Mark, not using a slider doesn't seem to help, at least I can't find a persisting reason? And how can it be that the answer is like 17 as there is no possibility to turn off yellow. 18 suddenly seems so easy, but doesn't help at all for 19 and 20. I wish I had not introduced that panel to fix 17 as now I don't know if there is any other purpose for that stupid panel! I've tried cicking green out to the right before turning of green, but can't get the green ball back in place without loosing tiles I'd need later. And getting red out of the compartment the second time seems to need a tile, the lazer doesn't help... And and and...

But thanks anyway for introducing this chat-level and for trying to help us! :-)
<mark> (SPOILER) On my level you deffinitly dont have to kick out the green,i have tried that way so many times proving to myself that it cant be done that way .
Only then about a hour later when i have no options the other way i think to myself why is it i cant kick out the green and try again.
my level answer is like 17 answer but just a longer version.
On first visit to ballroom with the bot dancing free i take all the balls out except the green.when you put 2 back in dont use a slider.

Somtimes i wish i never made 19 because 20 is torture to my mind. Good luck
<Dave> (SPOILER) A. Not found a way yet without kicking green over at the start or losing blue. Only found dead ends on the kick out the green option... so far.

Q. Can you get blue out at the start without moving grey from it's initial position or kicking green over? Seems impossible, but I may have missed a trick.
<mark> (SPOILER) Can i get the red sphere on its panel without leaving the grey one on the left wall?

(example question)

Ps feel free to ask me any questions i will allways answer.
Going to work back in about 8 hours.
 
All mod cons 18 Wed 22 May 2013 01:49
<Dave> (SPOILER) Guess we're in the same boat then. My solve of this was exactly the same as the original, so I got absolutely no clues to the others out of it.
<Jim> (SPOILER) I finally got this level after a week, but it still doesn't help me with 19 or 20. :-(
 
All mod cons 17a Wed 22 May 2013 00:30
<Dave> I am hoping to, just not got much time on my hands at the moment, and what little time I can find is currently being used up by my failed attempts to crack 19 and 20 :)
<mm> (SPOILER) Dave, I still hope you'll fix this because I just loved the mechanism!
 
Who let the Dalaks out? Who? Who? Tue 21 May 2013 17:14
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: best
 
Zebra Tue 21 May 2013 17:11
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: most wanted
 
The Glove Tue 21 May 2013 17:09
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: help
 
Worried Tue 21 May 2013 17:08
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: The best level.
 
BOTZ 37 Tue 21 May 2013 17:06
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: describe
 
Wire Maze Tue 21 May 2013 16:58
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: describe intended differs from the author submit cancel comment
 
Lettuce Tue 21 May 2013 16:57
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: describe you cook and how it differs from the solution you believe the autor intended, spoiler cooked
 
super mario bros. flash back Tue 21 May 2013 16:55
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: super the best need for speed most wanted, the book differs fron the solution you believe intended
 
Look at the Bizzaro World Tue 21 May 2013 16:53
<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: look at the bizzaro world, dog, fire, the best, master
 
OMG OMG OMG OMG THE HERSHALS FARM LEVEL!!!!!!!!!!! Tue 21 May 2013 12:51
<EdvaldoCL> (SPOILER) Cook: Atila 2 anos, nem entendeu como resolveu tao rapido.
 
Holiday E-Decoration Tue 21 May 2013 12:49
<EdvaldoCL> (SPOILER) Cook: Atila 2 anos, Brasil, nao gostou muito.
 
bot square Tue 21 May 2013 12:46
<EdvaldoCL> (SPOILER) Cook: Atila 2 anos, gostou muito de resolver.
 
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