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<Dave> (SPOILER) Hi Jim, done 19 now. No idea how I failed to see it before. I don't immediately see a clue to 20 there though but will have a better study of it a bit later. In answer to your question my triage shows 2163/2169, unsolved includes All mod cons 20 and Block Cipher. The most irritating unsolved level for me is Land of 10000 Bots. PS. I think the 2169 total shows incorrectly as about 2200 on Win7 if you haven't manually dumped the 30ish stuck levels. <Jim> (SPOILER) I'm curious how many unsolved levels people have left and how often you go back to try to solve them. For me, I have 5 left, but the only one I try to solve periodically is Soko_Very_Hard. <Jim> (SPOILER) I understand a certain level driving you crazy after a while. I took a day off without thinking of these mods, and came back and got a fresh view of them which helped me a lot. For level 19, its important to think of the most efficient way to get the blue sphere back into the top left hand corner and back out again. Being able to push the red sphere down one like Mark suggested, makes that easier. For level 20, believe it or not, there is yet another way to get the red sphere out of the top left corner. Once you discovered how, the rest is easy. <mm> (SPOILER) Congrats, that's awesome, Jim! I think I'm going to give up. At least for now. These levels are driving me crazy and make my head spinning around in stupid circles while I'm not progressing at all. I'm totally stuck. Mark, please don't wait for me to catch up because you might wait forever... ;) I think "All mod cons" is done, at least the original game, so feel free to start a new game. Dave might fix his spin-off mechanism, but anyway, we can continue those spin-offs later. Wishing you all luck, too! <mark> (SPOILER) Wow, well done Jim i noticed it did not take much time to do 20 after yoy got 19. Knowing how to do 19 does not help me on my quest for 20 did it for you. Im not going to give up on this level but any hints sublte or not would be gratfully recieved. I think the mods series has been a grate success and would love to start another soon but but not until everyone is up to speed. As for hints if the others dont want them they dont have to read them,but im sure they wont mind. What i'd really like to know is what you do in the first room before leaving. Good luck to all ! |
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<mark> Only done this to get away the srtains of 20 |
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<noname> Tom 7, could you move this level back to triage, as Kirima and Jim think that this should be brought back? |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Jim, the funny thing is it hasn't helped me at all. Following Mark's instructions for 19 lands me in exactly the same predicament I find myself in with 20. Clearly, I have two working methods for the first half but can't crack the ending. <Dave> (SPOILER) I agree, always one piece short. Recently been working on the "don't bother putting the blue in the top middle room because it's to much hassle" approach. Unfortunately, I always seem to find myself with everything done except the for the blue ball ball irresolutely stuck on the wall one cell below it's final target (or somewhere equally inconvenient)... Maybe time to back to a different approach. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 216 moves (old: 238). Bit of light refief! |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Mark, I don't think either of these answers will be a surprise to you. Noname's solution works on 18 and it does not use the gray panel buttons from 19. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) I agree with MM, I think you should bring this level back. It has a different solution that I think future players would enjoy seeing. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Hallelulah, I now solved this level too. Whew, I can turn my brain off for a while! |
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<mm> (SPOILER) Thank you for answering, Mark. I guess I've already tried it all, and of course I just can't think of any possible things I haven't tried yet! Not using a slider indicates that the blue sphere holds the laser, but also indicates that a tile will be needed in the left corner of that compartment in the middle in order to get that blue sphere out there. That tile will be missing elsewhere! Anyway, whatever I do, I'd need one more tile. And not using the blue sphere to hold the laser absolutely seems worse. <Jim> (SPOILER) I like the idea of discussing levels, but I hate the idea at the same time if that makes any sense. From Mark's comment of not using a slider, I was able to solve level 19 in a half hour, mainly because that was the missing element I never even considered before. So for me, it was TMI. Half of me is very grateful b/c it put me out of my misery of thinking about this level, but now that I know, its like Tom always says - once you know how to do a level, you wish you figured it all out by yourself. I loved the solution by the way, another great level. Onward to 20 now for me (the torture level is sure to go up). <mark> (SPOILER) mm if you start the level the the same as 17 when blue sphere holds down left laser you can push 2 balls up to a transpoder tile. before leaving the ballroom you can push that tile in both directions leave it one space below red panel. You will be able to get it back to turn green and blue later. clever usage of slider positioning is also needed as to get the blue sphere back a different way. <mm> (SPOILER) I've got no clues at all & those two levels are driving me crazy, too. Trying to solve them is a torture, I agree. Mark, not using a slider doesn't seem to help, at least I can't find a persisting reason? And how can it be that the answer is like 17 as there is no possibility to turn off yellow. 18 suddenly seems so easy, but doesn't help at all for 19 and 20. I wish I had not introduced that panel to fix 17 as now I don't know if there is any other purpose for that stupid panel! I've tried cicking green out to the right before turning of green, but can't get the green ball back in place without loosing tiles I'd need later. And getting red out of the compartment the second time seems to need a tile, the lazer doesn't help... And and and... But thanks anyway for introducing this chat-level and for trying to help us! :-) <mark> (SPOILER) On my level you deffinitly dont have to kick out the green,i have tried that way so many times proving to myself that it cant be done that way . Only then about a hour later when i have no options the other way i think to myself why is it i cant kick out the green and try again. my level answer is like 17 answer but just a longer version. On first visit to ballroom with the bot dancing free i take all the balls out except the green.when you put 2 back in dont use a slider. Somtimes i wish i never made 19 because 20 is torture to my mind. Good luck <Dave> (SPOILER) A. Not found a way yet without kicking green over at the start or losing blue. Only found dead ends on the kick out the green option... so far. Q. Can you get blue out at the start without moving grey from it's initial position or kicking green over? Seems impossible, but I may have missed a trick. <mark> (SPOILER) Can i get the red sphere on its panel without leaving the grey one on the left wall? (example question) Ps feel free to ask me any questions i will allways answer. Going to work back in about 8 hours. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Guess we're in the same boat then. My solve of this was exactly the same as the original, so I got absolutely no clues to the others out of it. <Jim> (SPOILER) I finally got this level after a week, but it still doesn't help me with 19 or 20. :-( |
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<Dave> I am hoping to, just not got much time on my hands at the moment, and what little time I can find is currently being used up by my failed attempts to crack 19 and 20 :) <mm> (SPOILER) Dave, I still hope you'll fix this because I just loved the mechanism! |
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<Mariana> (SPOILER) Cook: best |
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