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<Jim> (SPOILER) LOL Mark, don't say I didn't warn you! <mark> Hi Dave that game sounds like a variation of Whist people play it differently all over. My favourite game was also Crib,but none of my friends play cards except Poker or stupid non skill games. I was brought up in a card playing family playing cards every Saturday and Sunday morning,sometimes domioes. I have very fond memories of the days way back then when older relatives were still around. I'm very adaptable to any game of cards and started playing poker about 20 years back. I used to go to the casino to play in small tournaments 3 or 4 nights a week.(always turned a monthly profit) I only gave it up with the advent of the internet as younger players were catching up to quick. I don't consider myself a gambler and when my edge had stopped i stopped playing. I started playing again when they made a pub poker league and these players are just as clueless. Poker seems to be so easy to play but you never stop learning,knowledge is everything in this game. People that have only played for a month and think there experts are the easiest to take money from. I may well become a spades addict Jim as i really enjoyed it. After playing another couple of hours and understanding the point system i bid my first nil and succeeded,but my partner was a computer and playing perfectly. To be good at cards you still need to be lucky to win which thankfully i am. My latest levels have been on hold, you can thank Jim for that. <Jim> (SPOILER) Dave, that game you used to play in the UK sounds interesting. What makes spades good is that besides being a challenge to bid your hand right and being in synch with your partner is any hand that has a nil (card play then changes drastically). Ive been playing this game online since 1996 and haven't gotten bored with it yet. If any of you brainiacs here ever get really interested in the game, let me know, I would pard you online at some spades site. 16.1 and 16.2 I have been trying to trap the bot somewhere (like maybe the bottom right hand corner) but I can't pull it off. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 78 moves (old: 92). I did this a bit different. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Nice fix! |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Never really played poker myself. Spades reminds of another partnership whist game I used to play in the UK many years ago, I cannot for the life of me remember what is was called. Usual basic rules. Trumps are fixed before each deal by a cut. The dealer places a bid for the combined partnership total after viewing his hand (his partner's hand is kept blind on the table until after the bid is made). We played four points for hitting the bid, one point for one either side, -2 for 2 out, -3 for 3 out etc. It is a brilliant, obviously communication is only permitted if you don't get caught .) The fact that the strength of only one hand is known leads to some very interesting stategies. Cribbage and canasta are still my all time favourites. PS. Jim, I don't know how much 16.1 and 16.2 which teach you about the Grab the Dalek mod, you know all this stuff already, but they might get you in the right frame of mind. Both solutions (known so far) require the same number of free blocks (i.e. there are three stuck near the switch), and beleive me, I have looked and looked for a solution with one less. <Jim> (SPOILER) I started out playing poker, once I discovered Spades I never looked back. Take my advice and don't get hooked on it, you will be like me and forever behind on escape levels. I am enjoying all the learn a trick levels, I got them all now except 16.1 and 16.2. I think the fact that I cant solve those are why I never was able to get noname's Grab the Dalek level. I did get Rouge Like Revampired (solved it a different way) about a week ago and saw both tricks then, but so far that still hasn't helped me with all the other ones. I went away from those levels a few days after that, I will go back to them in the future. Its always nice to keep a few stumpers around for a rainy day. <mark> Hi Jim how you doing? When i went out last night i was playing small stakes poker won about $30.(just found out the pound sign does not work in the comment box). No i did not know spades but i do now spent the last 20 mins playing,enjoyable game. Hope you like the new set of levels i made,some of them are meant to help. 16.2 by Dave took me quite a long time earlier today.I did it the speedrun way about 100 moves more.(yes there are 2 solutions so far) I thought someone would take a block out but not two of them. Got a couple of ideas left to make a few more,mostly everything you need to know about my levels or mods. Would not dream of spoiling other peoples levels,not on purpose anyway. I like the fact they are simple and to the point but maybe not a dead cert for the beginner. How you getting on in rouge like level's and have you spotted the clues? Having an early night tonight 00.20 See you all good luck.. <Jim> (SPOILER) What kind of cards do you play Mark? Ive played a lot of spades online over the years so I'm curious if you know that game? |
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<N7DOT> That is an oops! That's going to be a pain to fix... (I'm not going to settle for 3 values since that is too easy...) |
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<N7DOT> Right now I'm working on implementing a certain math puzzle in Escape, so it will be a while before I add a new level. (well, there is another one that's more well known and is still just a concept right now.) <mark> Nice mods Dave as always,just noticed them ten minutes ago. Tried desperately to solve both only managed the one. Going to meet friends for a beer and a game of cards.(won't be fit to solve the last one till tommorow) Glad to see you speed run both ways of trick 15. Hope you don't mind me making these levels,this is the only place i could think someone might be stuck in a R L level. With me i always want people to be on the same page. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added solution "And the other way": Just for completeness. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Incredible speedrun noname,new run 916 not added yet. <noname> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 974 moves (old: 1454). I initially thought that I had broken the level, but on second thought, maybe it's not that significant, since Mark's old solution still probably won't work. |
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<mark> Hi mm,for my last mod whatever harder have a look at Learn a trick 9.(thats why i made it) Where could that be applied,does not work on Dave's level. Still hard even when you get the trick. Good luck... <mm> (SPOILER) Congrats guys! I am desperately clueless... (No matter if it's called WM or RL) <Dave> (SPOILER) A litte tweak and the original solution works on the non-mod. It also makes one trip back a forth across the level completely redundant, so it's actually quite a bit shorter that way. I suggest you take the speedrun Mark, it's yours (for now). <Dave> (SPOILER) Ah. That should make it more interesting. <mark> Just read my last comment, it might be a little confusing. When i said under the laser i meant in the y layer. <mark> Super level Dave however i did it differently again. I'm not going to mod it, there are plenty of them already. Liked your solution and if you want to find mine add a patch of rough under the left hand laser. If you don't want to do that just ask and i will post solution 1454. Adjusted previous level scores down a little. <Dave> (SPOILER) Yes, as far as I am aware the solution will solve the earlier 'Rouge-Like Re...' series except 'forever'. I say 'The solution', but if I know you, you will find another way :) I think I would have 'eventually' beaten VM21 if it was a solitary level simply because what appears to be the logical order to the various tasks is, in fact, the correct order. Acheiving these tasks and positioning the bots etc. ready for the next phase is another matter. It would have been a very long haul! It would have also have involved pencil and paper planning and probably a resort to the editor to create a series of test levels starting from various intermediate checkpoints. Drastic but probably necessary, it's served me well before, Assembly Line comes to mind. This kind of approach doesn't really work that well on something like the Rouge-Like Re levels because everything affects everything else, there is, for instance, no clear half way point. The only real checkpoint is the first entry into the bottom left room. PS. I completely missed the Learn a Trick hint. In truth, I've only just twigged which one you are talking about. PPS. Have you tried your idea on R-L-L? <mark> Congrats on both levels Dave. My first 10 thanks.I don't know whether i'm pleased or frustrated at the moment,your mod has just blitzed my solution.(back to the drawing board for me) Your dalek panel is killing me. My solution was my one and only solve of noname's whatever a different way,it took hours and is a bit tired.(needs a speedrun). I was trying to help with the learn a trick but you obviously did not need it.(Did you notice?) VM21 that is a very satisfying solve. If someone had just made VM21 no mod series do you think you could have done it? I remember when you first put the balls in and it was not to easy then. As for keeper's of the rouge mods i would not have a clue. My last solution solved all except whatever forever. I'm guessing that your new solution will solve all as well. Off to play however now.. <Dave> VM21 done, thanks for the heads up! <Dave> (SPOILER) Right. Finally done Mark's 'whatever harder'. Very different solution again. To be fair though, I did start out trying to attack it as intended. I suppose at some point, maybe when we are all on the same page, we should have a bit of a clear out of these levels. |
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