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<mm> I think this level is opticully more confusing than the first one - once it's zoomed out and everything gets very small, it's really hard to clearly see what's going on, especially because teleports, arrows and normal "streets" are all grey. Whereas without zooming out, it's to hard to keep orientation. |
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<John Lewis> (SPOILER) *hits self on head* This is so much better! :) Thanks, Henri. I guess I forgot that you can put a "teleport portal" in a separate area instead of including tons of ports within the grid, which can get messy (as evidenced in my variation ;)). |
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<Doom> As a matter of fact, I find this version even more confusing than the first one. How am I supposed to see anything in this sea of teleports? It's anyway interesting to see in how little space this can be squeezed. It was more tricky to implement without becoming enormous than I thought. |
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<Doom> 'The Possible Riddle Simplified' uploaded by Doom: This is something like what I meant with more clear design. At least I can see the available paths and the puzzle as a whole more easily. After experimenting with several variations, I decided to keep the old puzzle. The other options were always either just as easy as this one or impossible. Interestingly, it seems that if you require "n" passes for each of the 9 squares, the optimal solution seems to be always (n-1) moves from complete. (Unless I missed something) |
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<John Lewis> 'The Possible Riddle Revised' uploaded by John Lewis: Okay, this should work!! |
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<John Lewis> Moved to graveyard: Found one problem... <John Lewis> 'The Possible Riddle Revised' uploaded by John Lewis: Here's a more...compressed version. Hope this is less confusing :) |
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<John Lewis> (SPOILER) For those who don't know what this level is, it's based on the impossible riddle: try to draw a continuous line through a 3x3 grid that passes through all nine squares twice and moves only horizontally and vertically. According to David, it can be proved impossible by using a partiy argument. The only reason why this adaptation of the puzzle is possible is because of the double trap. :) I think much of the confusing nature of this level arises from its lack of rigidity. David took into account every possible order that the squares could be traveled in, so every combination needs to be accounted for. At first when I designed the Escape version, I didn't include the wires. But then I found this to be somewhat annoying, so I added them in to help the player out (it is beneficial to zoom out when playing this level). I suppose that this could be made less complicated...if anyone wants to make a mod, feel free :) I just thought this design was pretty cool... <Doom> (SPOILER) Actually, I'll take back the statement about doing this level in a less confusing way in CC. I forgot that the teleports aren't really usable in this, and had one misconception about something in this level. But in Escape this could be definitely remade more clearly. <Doom> (SPOILER) The hardest thing about this is realising what this level represents. It could be less messy, after all. Once you get that far, it's not very difficult. Oh yeah, this could be done a lot more simply in both Chip's Challenge and Escape. <John Lewis> 'The Possible Riddle' uploaded by John Lewis: Another pieguy CC level that I thought would be an interesting Escape adaptation... |
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<RC> (SPOILER) Added solution "Another Way." <Tom 7> Welcome Eric! =) <Eric119> Yes, you caught me. :) I'm Eric Schmidt. |
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<John Lewis> (SPOILER) Actually, that's the only way it can be solved... <Blue Devil> (SPOILER) Cook: Solved it in one move. Didn't have to move. |
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<Tom 7> I appreciate the thought, but the cost of the hard drive is not really the issue; this machine doesn't have room for any more drives, and I don't really want to touch its fragile configuration. It's more just an issue of the machine being on its last legs, and just wanting it to survive without maintenance until I replace it when I finish grad school and move somewhere. Anyway Escape isn't the thing that keeps filling up the disks, it's the damn log files for snoot.org! |
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<Tom 7> Yeah, I solved all of these pretty much the same way, too. |
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<John Lewis> I was wondering when we would see this. Nice implemention! I still haven't solved the original CC level yet...btw, David, it's the only possible one in your original "pi" level set I haven't completed, along with "too many keys" and "the most insane level ever!" |
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<John Lewis> I'm hoooooome! This is a pretty cool level, very reminiscent of classic Escape. I have to wonder...is this the fanaticiest of fanatics himself, Eric Schmidt of Chip's Challenge fame? ;) (The "Hoola" character sounds familiar...) |
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<RC> (SPOILER) Added solution "Another Way": I think there is a fourth <RC> (SPOILER) Added solution "Soloution #3": I think there is a fourth. <RC> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 574 moves (old: 576). |
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<Eric119> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 106 moves (old: 110). |
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<KWM> (SPOILER) I liked this level. Yes, you can only move up and down, but if you haven't solved it by 5000 moves then it sounds like your only moving down. It will take a very long time that way. I hope I haven't give too much away, but this is a spoiler. BTW, you can see more of the board by using [ and ] to zoom in and out. |
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