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Perfect Crime Sat 01 Jul 2006 18:59
<mjn> Awesome.
 
Hard IQ Carrier Sat 01 Jul 2006 13:48
<Eric119> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 4897 moves (old: 4929).
Copied John Lewis's run from Harder IQ Carrier.
 
Second Contact Sat 01 Jul 2006 12:32
<Doom> (SPOILER) This is exactly how I solved the original as well. After many, many nearly-there attempts.

That speedrun _can_ be used to cheat the solution for the third version of the level. I've not looked at that mod, or this speedrun yet, but would rather not have a possibility to spoil it at all. (Especially if the third one is supposed to be very hard - Don't know yet. I'll be tempted to check it anyway if it doesn't seem to start working after a while...)
 
Third Contact Sat 01 Jul 2006 09:31
<Tom 7> Thanks! =)
 
Esprit 16 - Escape Style Sat 01 Jul 2006 09:22
<Tom 7> Good... we don't like impossible levels. ;)
 
Third Contact Sat 01 Jul 2006 03:59
<SPAM> (SPOILER) Absolutely cool! Very tricky! I just knew it wold be something like this...
 
Second Contact Fri 30 Jun 2006 22:11
<Eric119> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 160 moves (old: 166).
Copied solution from Third Contact.
 
Bridges of Konigsberg - possible version (fixed) Fri 30 Jun 2006 21:08
<mjn> (SPOILER) Are you supposed to only be able to go one direction through the red complex on the right?
 
magic pool 3 Fri 30 Jun 2006 17:51
<Max> These were very enjoyable, nice work! Each offered a distinct challenge and after investing all the time to get familiar with the panels, it felt natural to get immersed in a brief series that dealt with the same setup. I feel compelled to choose a favorite, and I think it's the first one because the broken blocks just provide good shortcuts that don't really make it significantly easier. On the second two it started to get a little tedious to have to keep shooting the balls in circles until they lined up where I wanted them to.
 
magic pool 2 Fri 30 Jun 2006 17:12
<Max> This one totally stumped me my first try, but then I got it in about ten minutes the second time...
 
Cornered Fri 30 Jun 2006 10:17
<SPAM> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 91 moves (old: 100).
Sorry, I know this level is veeery old, but here's a new speedrun
 
Third Contact Fri 30 Jun 2006 01:05
<Eric119> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 160 moves (old: 166).
Whew! Tricky one.
 
magic pool 3 Thu 29 Jun 2006 18:10
<mm> These 3 magic pools are just lovely and very smart - it took me a while to figure out how this third one works, nicely done, wowei (:
 
Third Contact Thu 29 Jun 2006 06:43
<SPAM> This is definitely the most difficult level since I joined Escape! Haven't solved it yet, but I keep on trying...
 
Japanese Escape! Tue 27 Jun 2006 18:09
<mm> SPAM: Chapeau for this work, I guess it was such a lot of work to create this level!

Max: I agree, of course it's reasonable to try to embed the principles of other games, and sometimes it works perfectly. I also understand that searching for new possibilities by doing such embeddings is a good way to advance in the game's progress. I guess as I don't know most of those other games because I didn't grow up with them, some of those trials just look pretty weird to me (;

BTW: I like the limit of colours and size, too. I would not want more colours, I probably did not express myself very well.
 
Third Contact Tue 27 Jun 2006 17:41
<mm> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 166 moves (old: 168).
I found the same cook for the second contact and was thinking about a mod as well, but it's already done :-)
 
Japanese Escape! Tue 27 Jun 2006 17:30
<Max> SPAM: Well of course nobody would ever prefer playing Sudoku like this to playing it on paper, but you definitely did a great job on the task of embedding a working Sudoku within the limitations (mostly size) of the level editor. I like the symbol approach, though it would have been a little easier to solve if you used four gold blocks in each given to resemble the positions the four red blocks would be in after activating the correct panels. Another option would have been to have an electricity tile adjacent to each square so you could get rid of the unnecessary red block clutter after you solve a square.

Kirima: there has emerged a sort of tradition in Escape of trying to embed other games or functions as levels, regardless of their actual practicality as such. I enjoy this pasttime (I did a functional "minesweeper" embedding awhile back) and I would say they are sometimes better appreciated as Escape engineering feats (i.e. "Turing Machine") than actual levels ;) .

And Tom: I like the size limit of the levels for the same reasons I like the color limit, so my vote is to keep it as is.
 
Second Contact Tue 27 Jun 2006 16:11
<Max> Ahh yes, thanks for the mod, good one. I can't believe the original was doubly cookable! All in all, I like Tom's the best though since it's a bit more devious (but I did solve this his way before yours for some reason)...
 
Third Contact Tue 27 Jun 2006 16:00
<Max> (SPOILER) Yeah this is a great mod. I must admit I was a little ashamed of my original simple solution. I came up with the mechanism first and then a series of complex almost-solutions, and I really wanted to have a complex solution like this but when I found my original solution, rather than cook-proof it I just decided to stick with it.

This definitely has an "advanced" aspect that I enjoy in certain Escape levels where the whole level revolves around a single rule that the player is tricked into believing is slightly stricter than it really is...
<Max> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 168 moves (old: 170).
Yeahhhh
 
Second Contact Tue 27 Jun 2006 15:49
<Max> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 174 moves (old: 251).
Whoa let me check to see if I cooked it...
<SPAM> (SPOILER) As I see, you solved it excactly as I did in the original. I felt so stupid when I watched Max' super-simple solution... Nice mod!
 
Japanese Escape! Tue 27 Jun 2006 00:58
<mjn> I've never felt limited by the board size; I think I'd vote to keep it as it is.
 
Contact Tue 27 Jun 2006 00:30
<mjn> (SPOILER) That's a pretty nifty device on the right!
 
Japanese Escape! Mon 26 Jun 2006 19:40
<mm> Even if this should or could work: I still think what I think. The idea of sudoku can't be transcribed to escape, it's way too far away. WHY should we search for things that are just not at all competitive to this game?
 
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