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<Jim> (SPOILER) The length of some of these author lines are so long you can't see who did them until you get into the level, I was simply trying to avoid that. Regardless, I'm sure I will be deleting this level halfway soon so it won't be an issue. I'm still hoping Dave's 2.2 solution can be incorporated, I wanted to use that in this level but was unable to find a way to do that. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 31 moves (old: 33). I really don't know how to rate this. It is certainly not trivial though! |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Jim, this a really good level and by far the best of the series. I solved it as intended, every piece ended up in the same place as the original solution. First time yet in this series! N7 has a point though. How about re-uploading with different credits. I will stand by my rating. |
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<devin> Well, I see that the challenge was a bit different than what I had expected until I had figured the alternate solution in a few minutes or less... <devin> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 197 moves (old: 427). Hopefully I did this correctly, if not... here... |
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<N7DOT> Hmm. When I said I was going to make Improv into a series, I meant as in a more 'classic' type of series (like Kacper's 'Small' levels or the recent 'Learn a trick' ones) where each level is unique but all have a over-arching theme, and not like a 'evolutionary' series like the Mods levels. I have to say, I do like how these modifications are going, and am in no way trying to discourage these re-interpretations. The one thing that set off an alarm in my head was the usage of the 'Mod Squad' blanket to describe the history of the level; while I feel that simplifying the author line makes sense when it starts to get long enough, I'm not sure if I want the 'mods' term to be used to describe this level as it did not form in the same manner. (also, everyone is free to make brand new additions to the series. any such additions should be made by a process similar to that described on Improv 1) |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Dave, I love the solution to 2.2, it was the hardest to find for me and the best of the series in my opinion. <Dave> (SPOILER) 2.1b is not really the way I would like to see this ultimately go, mark's efforts are truer to the original idea. It's food for thought, cook away... <Dave> (SPOILER) PPS. Please upload any distinctly different solutions to the Rook's problem. The number of solutions is unknown, but they are numerous, so it would be interesting to see how varied they are. <Dave> (SPOILER) PS. Kirima, are you out there? <Dave> (SPOILER) Oh dear (to put politely)! I've just seen the speedrun on 2.2. We have a problem: 2.2 doesn't force the bit I want to force, 2.1a doesn't force the bit you want to force. 2.2 has to go but first I need to decide whether to just fix it or mod 2.1a. Ideally, it should force both bits, but I don't see a way yet. <Dave> (SPOILER) It happens Mark, I did exactly the same thing with LOT16.1, which is why it currently shows 3/3 solved instead of, correctly, 2/2. I'm quite surprised it is so low but these 'Grab the Dalek'-esque levls do seem to cause a bit a trouble. So, as you requested, I have modded Rook's Tour to 9x9, maximal being, as you know now that you are in the Doughnut Club, 472 (or 474 steps in the implementation. Upload coming shortly. I have not been able to find any solution online, so this one will have to be solved properly. To be fair, it's actually not that hard if you approach it right. This is a good thing because any attempt at a brute force solution would take until next Easter! Also put blue back to red, I think it is safe this time. Not looked at Improv since your comments, will be in touch ... <mark> I've rated my own level by accident(Improv 2.1a)so I reset the score to 5 5 5 I will average it out after it is solved. I was scoring the one below which i had not scored straight away as i could not decide. I got very lucky on it and did not know to put. <mark> (SPOILER) Dave when i got up this morning i awoke to a few levels and improv 2.2. Last night i had already made a better version of 2.1 but left it as i've deleted enough levels lately. When i saw your 2.2 and it was similar looking to what i'd already made i deleted hoping it was not a spoiler for yours. Spent about an hour trying to mod your level then i found a flaw (check speedrun) easy fix i guess. Anyhow i've reposted 2.1 with the different ending version 2.1a. Sorry all for messing about but i do like this level,and i can still see harder things to come. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 461 moves (old: 467). Had to lower scoring check this. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Finally got this. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) I thought improv was too good to give up on so i've had another go. I see that you have been very busy with your own level Dave so i've tried again. Your new level is to me even though solved is very hard to see how it works.Iv'e not rated yet as i knew how to do it but 9 or 10 for style and effort. Discovered another flaw in escape,and that is if someone delete's a level your bookmarks get lost. I had a short go on rooks before i went out and managed 327,just needed fine adjusting. I was desperate to see Jim's lucky find but i was a little bit merry and my brain won't work after a couple of beers,so i had to wait till today and start all over again. My solution not like yours at all but there are probably many. Anyhow after talking to you last time i managed to get all 15 books on pdf for free. Without you saying what the level was about in title i might not have twigged. As for what is next could you strech it to a 9 x 9 i don't know how that is done or if there are any answers available. All in all another great level but as easy as knoting doughnuts together. Cheers have fun. |
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<N7DOT> A nice twist on the twist :) |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) I'm glad you found that quite quickly, Jim! We'll call it a lucky accident. I thought I had thoroughly tested, clearly not thoroughly enough. Not worried about the solution because this is a classic puzzle, like solitaire (one-left), nim, and many others, the solutions are out there. It was great fun to implement and I was absolutely determined to do it in way which resulted in an orthagonal d-map (nearly). Credit to N7 for finally providing the inspiration and motivation. I could resist building in a 'Clocking Out' type counter. The count used won't help there .). Not sure what to do next ... P.S. I have tried a number of variations of the Rook's Tour idea but so far all have trivial solutions. |
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<Jim> (SPOILER) Added solution "Untitled": Sorry Dave, I found a loophole accidently, I uploaded it to show you. This was an amazing implementation, I can't imagine how long it took to do. Maybe you can fix it. |
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<N7DOT> My reversal detecting mechanism required one mechanism for each of horizontal and vertical, so it required 3 mechanisms still. <Dave> (SPOILER) N7, I haven't figured out your dalek/teleport direction reversal detector but don't worry about uploading it just yet, I have found another way. I now have three separate mechanisms: one which only triggers on horizontal reversal, one only on vertical reversal, and the third only on either change of axis; each of these requires 3 bots, that leaves me with 6 bots and loads of space... it 'should' be enough. |
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<N7DOT> (SPOILER) Dave, you got me! (no idea how to improve that, not enough space to move the steel efficiently) <N7DOT> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 112 moves (old: 402). quite simple. I really like little levels. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Nice run Dave i was hoping i'd stopped being so blind to the obvious but not so. I'm sure you can improve improv,how about a number 3. I was kind of treating this level like a new series as N7 hinted. |
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