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<Dave> Moved to graveyard. |
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<Dave> I don't think that is a good idea. What if the key to level is opening the bot release point at a specific point in the wall? Not much point if you put a sign up saying 'place bomb here'. Just thinking ahead... |
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<mark> 'Just mod blocks 6' uploaded by mark: Had another quick turn because right from my last mod i wanted to put these here,one switch missing. Ps I've not rated Vm2. |
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<Dave> Who's going to actually abuse it by using it in an intended solution in a mod? Besides, there are no rules to Escape, anybody can mod anything, all you can do is hope people play in the spirit of the game. If it does happen all we can do is ignore the mod and carry on from the previous one. Anyway, thanks for locking it, I meant to do that but forgot. I will get round to modding the other series too, just not tonight. <mark> 'Variable Modelling 3' uploaded by mark: Used more of the Y template and put the breaks on the bomb. Kirima if you just want to leave the bomb to trust you can mod it back when you have a turn. I think there will be a lot of cheating going on. |
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<mm> 'Just mod blocks 5' uploaded by mm. |
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<Dave> I would almost be inclined to make inclusion of the bizarro world 'stuff' compulsory. It would add a bit of a new twist to the way we have to develop the level. I so want to blow up a wall, that bomb is just too tempting! PS. Kirima, you may find going round in circles quite useful... hint. PPS. When I made VM2 I saved and it auto-recovered an earlier bookmark, even though the edits meant the bookmark has illegal moves in it. Never seen that bug before, has anybody else come across it? I re-saved the level with a different name to keep the insane version on file. |
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<Dave> Didn't spot your comment about bizarro world until after I played the level, so I wasn't expecting that at all. Very pretty, reminiscent of Escape Vomit :) As they are there as part of the template, it seems silly not to try and develop the level in some way that uses them all... |
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<Dave> 'Variable Modelling 2' uploaded by Dave: Anybody else got the idea that series will get stuck at 9 because uploading 10 will disqualify you from first go with the bomb! |
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<mm> 'Variable Modelling 1' uploaded by mm: Here we go, same rules as usual, except: the bomb should just sit there for the first 10 mods and will have imperatively (and hopefully intelligently) be used in mod 11. Feel free to add more bots, but they should stay outside the playground until mod 11 might free them... Please take a look at the bizzarro world, I've placed lots of tiles there that could be activated, but that's certainly voluntary. |
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<Dave> PS. re MT18. I don't know how far you have got with this level. Have you worked out how you can get all the yellow blocks out of their room without changing the slider direction? <Dave> Hi Kirima. Quick 'i' tutorial:- Get the MD5 of a SOLVED level (e.g. Modular Thinking 16). Go into Modular Thinking 18. Do not move from the start position. press 'i' and enter the MD5 of 16 (2fd717f4600478982e44d7461ea9856e). If it works the move counter will change from '0' to '0/xxxx' where xxxx is the length of your default solution to MT16 (e.g. '0/1473') as if you had done those 1473 moves and then undone them or pressed 't'. You can then use 'o' or 'p' to play through the old solution inside the new level. It will stop at the first illegal move, in this example it should be about 500 moves in. Press enter when the illegal move prompt comes up and you can continue playing from that point as if you had just done those 500 moves. This is NOT a hint, just a quick example! I'm not suggesting your first 500 moves of 16 will help with 18. As I said, it can be used in slightly different situations, but I won't go into that now. |
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<mm> Thanks guys! This mod certainly only exists because I've been desperately seeking whatever kind of possible solutions... I could re-upload it if ever, but an intelligent spin-off mod sounds great as well. |
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<Dave> PS. I found Hugbot Research Lab the best level for learning bot manipulation, but Single File is a good one too. Mind you, I still haven't beaten Land of 10000 bots, so what kind of expert am I? ;) <Dave> I stand corrected. It was John Lewis who posted the 462 run. It was also JL who uploaded the original adaptation of 'success' so maybe he gave up the solution on purpose, who knows? Sorry Eric. MD5 is the checksum of a level which is used to identify it. It appears as a 32 digit hex number (look down at the level title whilst typing a comment and you will see it). <mark> Made a mess of last post as i did not think it through enough. What i meant or should have said is,if in the first version of the level there is a block that is not movable but also not needed you still have to walk around it. Then in the modded version it is taken out, if you cross the path of the block which is now not there that is when the solution for modded version ends. Hope this is a bit clearer. I also like you Dave am a bit lazy but i still don't know the "i" function. When pressed it asks for MD5 of level i don't know what that is or what to type. I think this would be handy to know so when i make a mod eg avalanche 4Gf i would not have to sit swaping from screen to screen doing about 6 moves at a time just to get the best solution. |
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<Dave> To be honest Jim, I did consider modding it, but there are only so many hours in a day. It will lead to something to completely different and is probably worthy of a spin-off series. Go ahead! |
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<Dave> I always find myself typing 'it's' instead of 'its'. I know what I should type but my finger ca'n't stay away the apostrophe. <Dave> Sorry Kirima, my clue was not intended to be as cryptic as that, should've thought a bit more about the wording... Before you leave the bottom left room you must return the sliders to their original orientation, the 'evil' slider is there to force you to do this, it serves no other purpose. I'm clearly much lazier than Jim. If a mod shares say the first 1000 moves with a previous solution, as sometimes happens, I just 'i' it in and only do the changed bit manually. e.g. Avalanche 2. It's also really handy time-saver when the change in a mod is so subtle that it, or it's effect, is hard to spot. It can be used in other situations but they are very rare. Ctrl-0 will import solutions from your player file, it doesn't care or know which level they originally related to or where the level is located. However, it will only check those solutions against levels in the current directory. That's why Optimization 462 will grab Eric's spoiler speedrun from the Minor Leagues version. I guess, at some point, many of us have uploaded a speedrun and regretted it later, I know I have, but once you've done it there is no going back (see the Single File series for an really good example... but ultimately it directly led to the creation of Quintuple File). <mark> Hi MM,its how you solve the level that counts.What i meant by that say there is a block in the way in the original solution you solved, so you walk around it. But if the modded version has a wall, hole or electric in its place it will not Ctrl +o. THats because it only rememembers exact solutions. Even if you only walk over one tile that changed to something solid but theres loads of space around it , Ctrl + 0 can not recognise solution. It happened to me in Modular Thinking when you took out a slider by the yellows. For me to get Ctrl+0 to work i had to pretend the slider was there and push it to the side. Hope this message is clear written in a rush ,i'm going down the pub now. Its been the best day of the year over so far 23 degrees, so its making me thirsty. By for now |
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<mark> Now we got holes the rule about red blocks has to change they are ok. |
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<mark> Moved to graveyard: Not needed |
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<mark> 'Just mod blocks 4' uploaded by mark: Smart idea devin,added to it by two. Moved a few blocks and added a wire. |
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<Dave> Your oversight was overseeing my oversight. So I got in first! Apologies. |
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<Dave> Mark, if you use ctrl-down you can scroll the screen down. It wont let the player go closer than three spaces from the edge, but this is easily enough to have the bottom rows on screen while working in the middle room. |
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