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<mark> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 41 moves (old: 43). |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 41 moves (old: 75). Nice mod. |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) I already got the point, N7, I've been experimenting already. I want to keep the original level intact as much as possible, if this is feasible is, at this stage, indeterminate. If it proves otherwise, I have the funamental idea for a funny level. Go to the Escape FB page, I'm the last person to leave a comment, find me and PM me. Then I'll explain. <N7DOT> This sounds big. actually, scratch that out. This sounds HUGE. <Dave> Correction: Give me a couple of weeks :) <N7DOT> Just make sure that, if your version is supposed to replace this one in being a candidate for veryfunny then make sure to mention the level's comments in the title ;) <Dave> If this is going to get into Very Funny it needs a completely new twist not a mod. I have an idea... it might just work, give me a couple of days :) |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 43 moves (old: 69). |
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<Dave> So, thanks to N7, the new par score is 678. It should come down a bit yet. I'm still on 679... <Dave> (SPOILER) That is exit 3, so I've wasted a move on that one somewhere. Obviously, 2,5,6,7 are easy to solve. Exit 1 is the fun one... I'll think about a mod, it wouldn't be a bad 'intermediate' level, should be worth a 5, but blocking the others without making it obvious or leaving a cook won't be easy. I know 200 is not optimal, I just haven't bettered it yet. Crossword order is standard 'western' reading order: prioritised by row number first, then column number, starting top left. |
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<N7DOT> 'Minimum Waste' uploaded by N7DOT: I'm not sure what the most panels you can require to be pressed in the center of such a checkerboard is, but if you can make a level that requires more, upload it. |
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<N7DOT> (SPOILER) Also, although i'm not familiar with 'standard crossword numbering', the exit sharing a space with a transponder can be reached in 94 moves. I wonder if this level will actually be able to get into veryfunny (as that's pretty much the only way this level would be played by most new players in the future) <N7DOT> Oh yes, it is 7 alright. There's that one buried within the dalek cave in the lazer maze, opposite of the more obvious exit. <N7DOT> (SPOILER) Note that there are some VERY SIGNIFICANT SPOILERS in this comment. Although admittedly the level is rather easy if you go hrough the heart collection or bot maze. Dave, I originally intended to have examples of 'bad' levels with no solutions and one just barely ok level that was solvable, but since I thought that might confuse players, so I changed it to only poor-style levels. I did not get rid of the anti-solution mechanisms, however. If any of the solutions are significantly more difficult, feel free to adapt them (obviously removing low-style bits in all cases where such is possible.) The top left door with the two bots and the lazer maze ones were supposed to be impossible. Also, I only counted five exits, unless you include the sleeping door in the upper left room, which now that I think about it would be better as a stop sign or something. <Dave> (SPOILER) That's an aggregate of 679 moves for the 7 exits. Any further bids? <Dave> (SPOILER) I understand this probably defeats the object of the level but... We could have a little speedrun contest with this one. Numbering the exits in standard 'crossword' order: I currently have 1-200, 2-81, 3-95, 4-71, 5-102, 6-86, and 7-44. I must confess that I didn't immediately spot that you had made all the exits available, I thought some of them were purely for misdirection... |
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<N7DOT> (SPOILER) It's a bit tedious to talk using a level in the grave yard and will probably become more tedious over time. I don't know of any perfect way to remedy this, but a possible way to discuss these hings would be to use the 'test' message board at msg.spacebar.org/f/a/s/msg/disp/1 as it does not appear to be used by any of Tom's other sites. @mark: I see what your going for now, but I can't think of any good ways to fix it without making it too obvious. Also, I suggest that we not make a 'lear a trick' around the basis of wowei's 'protection' level, as that one does a good job already of using that trick. |
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<Dave> 'Learn a trick 10.1' uploaded by Dave. |
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<N7DOT> This is an excellent level! Small levels that are very difficult are hard to come by. |
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<mark> (SPOILER) Hi N7DOT, What i was saying was they won't all look like a trick. Learn a trick 9.. is the biggest trick,spoiler iv'e got. That is why i was so intent on fixing it.(previously 6) This one inparticular is not just for new players. Ps i like your solution,but it is my solution that is the trick.(hint ,hint). |
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<N7DOT> Gil, that's partly the point. The level wasn't intended to be hard or stylish, but to make a point. |
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<N7DOT> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 40 moves (old: 98). barely need the L, just one block will suffice |
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<N7DOT> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 101 moves (old: 125). You said learn a trick isn't always tricks now, even though I thought the point was to learn tricks and teach others. particularly if new players join! |
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<Dave> (SPOILER) Added speedrun: 64 moves (old: 72). |
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<mark> Moved to graveyard: The trick is learnt now but i'll try and put it in something better another day. I'm way to busy in the graveyard... |
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