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"Rouge-Like" by Tom 7 (original by Stephan)

added 16 Oct 2005 10:37
Solved14/14
Cooked1/14
Difficulty7.85
Style7.64
Rigidity5.85
Shortest Solution
NameSpeedrun
Length531 moves
Bymark
On10 Apr 2015 14:58

Comments (turn spoilers off)
19762 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Fri 10 Apr 2015 14:58 SPOILER
  Added speedrun: 531 moves (old: 540).
Over 2 years ago I made my first comment ever on this level.
This is my favourite level and now we have a legit non spoiler speedrun.

 
16442 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Tue 27 Nov 2012 16:17 SPOILER
  dave thanks for all your help i think ive uploaded my solution for you to see as it is different 894 moves
 
16441 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Tue 27 Nov 2012 16:11 SPOILER
  Added solution "a long but different way."
 
16439 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Sat 24 Nov 2012 10:40  
  most appreciate your comments dave thanks alot this has given an allready great game a whole new world for me.as for cooks i just watched the speedrun of lips and they did not do half of what i did to finish it,so i get it now thanks again
 
16438 Rouge-Like Dave (2400) Sat 24 Nov 2012 01:56  
  Hi Mark,
Rigidity is basically a rating of the number of different solutions. If a level can only be solved using a unique pattern of moves then it's rigidity is, by definition 10. Rigidity really has no bearing on the quality of a level and is not taken into account when levels are demoted.

Cooked means you have 'broken' the level. i.e. solved it in a totally different (and simpler) way to the intended solution. Minor shortcuts and improvements don't count as a cook. Some players seem to use the 'cook' function for comments, probably because they are unaware of ctrl+c.

The current speedrun of any level is downloadable only if you have already solved the level yourself. Go back into any level you have solved, hit B for bookmarks and then 'Download solutions'. Click the solution you want to see. Use T,O,P,U keys as normal to view it.
 
16437 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Fri 23 Nov 2012 09:43  
  ps you say the speed run would ruin it . i was not aware that you could see it.also if anyone would be so kind what does the rigidy of a level mean and if a level is cooked. sorry if asking in wrong place dont know any other way.
 
16436 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Fri 23 Nov 2012 09:23 SPOILER
  wow the n button. after the bots the bombs are numbered is that the order they go in . thanks for the hints but im still pulling my hair out .i thought i solved it a few times only to find out not quite .thanks again any hints really wellcome.
 
16435 Rouge-Like Dave (2400) Fri 23 Nov 2012 04:47 SPOILER
  Hi Mark, PPS. Bots movements and the effect thereof are entirely predictable. You are the boss. If you haven't already sussed it: Hit the N key to find out which bot will move first.
 
16434 Rouge-Like Dave (2400) Fri 23 Nov 2012 04:28 SPOILER
  I agree, they are fantastic levels. This one and Rouge-Like-Like are solvable in so many ways, but still difficult.

re: Radiant's point about the speedrun (because the point isn't very clear). The speedrun to Rouge-Like-Like is also a speedrun for this level but will give the game away and spoil Rouge-Like-Like if uploaded here.

I made that mistake with my first ever speedrun and regretted it ever since. Any subsequent occurences are deliberate .).

P.S. What resources do you really need? Spend them wisely.
 
16433 Rouge-Like mm (690) Thu 22 Nov 2012 19:56  
  The *Rouge-like*-series are - IMO - part of the best levels we ever had, & it certainly is such a lot of fun to solve them! Good luck and have fun, *mark*, and just try to stay patient!
 
16432 Rouge-Like radiant (1469) Wed 21 Nov 2012 20:58 SPOILER
  Didn't add speedrun: 437 moves (old: 540).
Just so no one else is tempted to.

Also, in levels like this, it might help if you think about what things are *actually* preconditions to complete the level (e.g. "you have to make the bot run into the bomb before advancing out of room 1") and which things only look like they're impossible, and that requires going over all the available moves with a certain degree of rigor. There are multiple solution routes available in this level, so you just have to figure out a way to tweak your expectations into leading you to any one of them.
 
16431 Rouge-Like mark (2878) Tue 20 Nov 2012 11:11  
  please someone give me some help spent days trying to work this out always falling a bomb short.i can get to the exit but not without a laser pointing at me . i can get both bots to the top in any order . i can get to the top without using all the yellow blocks.when i make the bot move the top bomb it leaves laser on . please give me some help as i really like this level and have to solve it.

 
15270 Rouge-Like N7DOT 3 (2490) Mon 21 Mar 2011 16:10 SPOILER
  Yes, I have now solved it. Very clever. It seemed impossible but after solving it, it suddenly felt like it should have been obvious.
 
12220 Rouge-Like gary (1998) Fri 24 Apr 2009 05:09 SPOILER
  Added speedrun: 540 moves (old: 542).
 
7228 Rouge-Like wowei (685) Tue 14 Nov 2006 14:22 SPOILER
  Added speedrun: 542 moves (old: 556).
 
7214 Rouge-Like mm (690) Wed 08 Nov 2006 19:47 SPOILER
  Thanx wowei! (Deine Komplimente schmeicheln mir!)

I'd never ever spoil a level, but I'll think about an appropriate hint.
 
7206 Rouge-Like wowei (685) Wed 08 Nov 2006 15:20  
  Oh, I see, Your Highness. (Just noticed, you made the speedrun on rouge-like-like, and i promised)

Dont spoil it, although i could use some help there. :-] But I better will call pretty please for a hint, only if my frustration will increase too much.
 
7203 Rouge-Like mm (690) Tue 07 Nov 2006 18:02 SPOILER
  Wowei, my speedrun would spoil everything! ;)
 
7198 Rouge-Like Tom 7 (1) Fri 03 Nov 2006 15:14  
  That was a <bug>. It should be <fixed now>.
 
7197 Rouge-Like wowei (685) Fri 03 Nov 2006 13:26  
  OK, seems that &lt; and &gt; are filtered out in comments.

press &lt;CTRL&gt;-r for re-rating and
and &lt;CTRL&gt;-u for solution-manager
 
7195 Rouge-Like wowei (685) Fri 03 Nov 2006 13:23  
  by re-rating with <CTRL>-r a speedrun is uploaded. Or you can do it by entering the solution-manager with <CTRL>-m and there <CTRL>-u then.

Try, and I'll address you "Your Highness".

rouge-like-like is really very tough, uff. I had had promising ideas but no sucecss yet.
 
7194 Rouge-Like wowei (685) Fri 03 Nov 2006 13:21  
  why can't you, mm?
 
7192 Rouge-Like mm (690) Thu 02 Nov 2006 19:13 SPOILER
  If only I could upload my speedrun... I'd be the one and only "Rouge-like-Queen"! :-)

Since this is not an option at all, you'd better run for "it" - hopefully you'll solve the next level as well? Good luck anyway, and have fun, Rouge-like-like is one of the best levels ever seen, in my opinion.
 
7186 Rouge-Like wowei (685) Wed 01 Nov 2006 14:37 SPOILER
  Added speedrun: 556 moves (old: 574).
 
5677 Rouge-Like RC (852) Mon 20 Mar 2006 11:44 SPOILER
  Added solution "Another Way":
I think there is a fourth
 
5676 Rouge-Like RC (852) Mon 20 Mar 2006 00:49 SPOILER
  Added solution "Soloution #3":
I think there is a fourth.
 
5675 Rouge-Like RC (852) Mon 20 Mar 2006 00:36 SPOILER
  Added speedrun: 574 moves (old: 576).
 
4859 Rouge-Like Max (61) Sun 11 Dec 2005 20:57 SPOILER
  Wait til you try "Rouge-Like-Like", herreee!
 
4827 Rouge-Like herreee (759) Fri 09 Dec 2005 19:34 SPOILER
  This is impossible!
 
4801 Rouge-Like Tom 7 (1) Fri 02 Dec 2005 21:58  
  Goodness, mine too! I'm sure it's a pretty shallow problem, which I'll fix soon. Thanks.
 
4800 Rouge-Like mjn (118) Fri 02 Dec 2005 17:32  
  (...and upon further inspection, I don't have that for any other levels, so unfortunately I don't know what I did differently.)
 
4799 Rouge-Like mjn (118) Fri 02 Dec 2005 17:29  
  Weird bug report: my personal rating for this level is darkened the way global ratings from 1 or 2 people are.
 
4596 Rouge-Like Max (61) Thu 03 Nov 2005 10:53 SPOILER
  Cook: Didn't enter the exit from the left.
 
4477 Rouge-Like mm (690) Tue 25 Oct 2005 06:06  
  clever speedrun
 
4410 Rouge-Like Tom 7 (1) Wed 19 Oct 2005 08:58 SPOILER
  noname's speedrun cooks it a little, but that part wasn't really the point of the level, so I'm not gonna try to fix it. Nicely done!
 
4398 Rouge-Like noname (559) Wed 19 Oct 2005 04:56 SPOILER
  Added speedrun: 576 moves (old: 828).
 
4370 Rouge-Like Tom 7 (1) Sun 16 Oct 2005 10:37  
  'Rouge-Like' uploaded by Tom 7:
Sorry, Doom. Well, now that you've peeked maybe it won't be so bad!