Escape Level : "Duck Pants" by Rubric

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"Duck Pants" by Rubric

added 12 May 2007 13:23

Solved 18/18

Cooked 1/18

Difficulty 4.77

Style 5.66

Rigidity 4.50

Shortest Solution
Name Speed Record

Length 547 moves

By Dave

On 10 Jan 2012 20:15

Comments (turn spoilers off)

16090 Duck Pants Dave (2400) Tue 10 Jan 2012 20:15 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 547 moves (old: 567).

16066 Duck Pants noname (559) Sat 07 Jan 2012 01:47 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 567 moves (old: 605).

15919 Duck Pants Dave (2400) Wed 07 Dec 2011 19:25 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 605 moves (old: 613).

7892 Duck Pants mm (690) Wed 16 May 2007 07:02 SPOILER

Hi Tom - I did download the solutions - and so I do have 3 "bookmarks": my solution, the speedrun and the original. In the "directories-list" it picks the speedrun instead of mine, so it indicates (green): Solved! (613 moves)

7890 Duck Pants Tom 7 (1) Mon 14 May 2007 23:06 SPOILER

(I marked your comment as a spoiler.)

A cook just means an unintended solution, generally one that circumvents a puzzle. In this case I definitely think it makes the first puzzle easier, even if it takes a bit longer, since the time is spent just walking back and forth.

My own opinion is that unintended solutions are usually bad. Even though I think my favorite part of playing this game (and others) is outsmarting level creators by finding cooks, I usually rate a level in which I can't find cooks more highly... it's harder to create such levels and there's something satisfying about such compositions. But it's up to you... sometimes it's hard to fix a level, and sometimes it's better to offer an "advanced" version where you must employ the cook, and sometimes the cook is too trivial to bother fixing. Sometimes someone else might do it for you. ;)

In chess puzzle competitions (where the terminology 'cook' comes from) they don't even allow puzzles that have more than one solution!

7889 Duck Pants Rubric (1375) Mon 14 May 2007 20:15 SPOILER

Oh I see. I was assuming that a cook, by definition, meant the solution time was faster. If it just means that you solved it in an unexpected way, then you're right. I guess I should have put more holes and/or rough around the lasers to prevent alternate uses for the gray blocks.

Or is that desirable? What is the prevailing opinion as far as fixing cookable levels? I suppose it varies from level to level. In this case, the cook seems undesireable because it is (a) easier to figure out than the intended solution (except for me, apparently), and (b) it takes more moves.

7887 Duck Pants Eric119 (921) Mon 14 May 2007 18:32 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 613 moves (old: 617).

7885 Duck Pants Eric119 (921) Mon 14 May 2007 18:23 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 617 moves (old: 637).

7884 Duck Pants Tom 7 (1) Sun 13 May 2007 23:13 SPOILER

Yeah, I only meant that it seems like an unintentional way to circumvent the puzzle there (i.e., a cook), which is not necessarily the same as a speedrunning technique. =)

7883 Duck Pants Rubric (1375) Sun 13 May 2007 00:10 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 637 moves (old: 652).
Here is the 637 time. I guess I couldn't upload it because I hadn't downloaded the level.

7882 Duck Pants Rubric (1375) Sat 12 May 2007 23:09 SPOILER

Actually, Tom, I think it's faster without using the 0/1 button more than twice. I watched mm's solution, and saw that the way I was losing so much time was on the right side of the board, where I was doing it a silly way.

Once I used mm's method on the right, and my method on the left side, I got the time down to 637 moves. I would upload the solution, but ctrl-u is telling me that I can't upload a "non-validating solution" or some such.

I'm having a great time with this game, by the way.

7881 Duck Pants Tom 7 (1) Sat 12 May 2007 22:04 SPOILER

True, though there's already a level that uses that as its main "trick."

7880 Duck Pants mm (690) Sat 12 May 2007 20:38 SPOILER

That could become quite a nice mod!

7879 Duck Pants Tom 7 (1) Sat 12 May 2007 20:00

Also, I agree, a nice first level!

7878 Duck Pants Tom 7 (1) Sat 12 May 2007 20:00 SPOILER

Cook: My solution was a lot like mm's, the main cook being using a grey block to allow the 1/0 button to be pushed as many times as we like.

7877 Duck Pants mm (690) Sat 12 May 2007 18:41 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 652 moves (old: 686).
This is fun to run! Nice first level!

7876 Duck Pants mm (690) Sat 12 May 2007 15:54 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 686 moves (old: 707).

7875 Duck Pants mm (690) Sat 12 May 2007 15:27 SPOILER

Added speedrun: 707 moves (old: 765).

7874 Duck Pants Rubric (1375) Sat 12 May 2007 13:23

'Duck Pants' uploaded by Rubric:
This is my first try at a level. I haven't played a lot, so my gauge for difficulty vs. lameness may be off. Appreciate comments. By the way, one of my 4-year-olds named this level. The level has nothing to do with actual duck pants.

Comments (turn spoilers off)

16090	Duck Pants	Dave (2400)	Tue 10 Jan 2012 20:15	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 547 moves (old: 567).

16066	Duck Pants	noname (559)	Sat 07 Jan 2012 01:47	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 567 moves (old: 605).

15919	Duck Pants	Dave (2400)	Wed 07 Dec 2011 19:25	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 605 moves (old: 613).

7892	Duck Pants	mm (690)	Wed 16 May 2007 07:02	SPOILER
	Hi Tom - I did download the solutions - and so I do have 3 "bookmarks": my solution, the speedrun and the original. In the "directories-list" it picks the speedrun instead of mine, so it indicates (green): Solved! (613 moves)

7890	Duck Pants	Tom 7 (1)	Mon 14 May 2007 23:06	SPOILER
	(I marked your comment as a spoiler.) A cook just means an unintended solution, generally one that circumvents a puzzle. In this case I definitely think it makes the first puzzle easier, even if it takes a bit longer, since the time is spent just walking back and forth. My own opinion is that unintended solutions are usually bad. Even though I think my favorite part of playing this game (and others) is outsmarting level creators by finding cooks, I usually rate a level in which I can't find cooks more highly... it's harder to create such levels and there's something satisfying about such compositions. But it's up to you... sometimes it's hard to fix a level, and sometimes it's better to offer an "advanced" version where you must employ the cook, and sometimes the cook is too trivial to bother fixing. Sometimes someone else might do it for you. ;) In chess puzzle competitions (where the terminology 'cook' comes from) they don't even allow puzzles that have more than one solution!

7889	Duck Pants	Rubric (1375)	Mon 14 May 2007 20:15	SPOILER
	Oh I see. I was assuming that a cook, by definition, meant the solution time was faster. If it just means that you solved it in an unexpected way, then you're right. I guess I should have put more holes and/or rough around the lasers to prevent alternate uses for the gray blocks. Or is that desirable? What is the prevailing opinion as far as fixing cookable levels? I suppose it varies from level to level. In this case, the cook seems undesireable because it is (a) easier to figure out than the intended solution (except for me, apparently), and (b) it takes more moves.

7887	Duck Pants	Eric119 (921)	Mon 14 May 2007 18:32	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 613 moves (old: 617).

7885	Duck Pants	Eric119 (921)	Mon 14 May 2007 18:23	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 617 moves (old: 637).

7884	Duck Pants	Tom 7 (1)	Sun 13 May 2007 23:13	SPOILER
	Yeah, I only meant that it seems like an unintentional way to circumvent the puzzle there (i.e., a cook), which is not necessarily the same as a speedrunning technique. =)

7883	Duck Pants	Rubric (1375)	Sun 13 May 2007 00:10	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 637 moves (old: 652). Here is the 637 time. I guess I couldn't upload it because I hadn't downloaded the level.

7882	Duck Pants	Rubric (1375)	Sat 12 May 2007 23:09	SPOILER
	Actually, Tom, I think it's faster without using the 0/1 button more than twice. I watched mm's solution, and saw that the way I was losing so much time was on the right side of the board, where I was doing it a silly way. Once I used mm's method on the right, and my method on the left side, I got the time down to 637 moves. I would upload the solution, but ctrl-u is telling me that I can't upload a "non-validating solution" or some such. I'm having a great time with this game, by the way.

7881	Duck Pants	Tom 7 (1)	Sat 12 May 2007 22:04	SPOILER
	True, though there's already a level that uses that as its main "trick."

7880	Duck Pants	mm (690)	Sat 12 May 2007 20:38	SPOILER
	That could become quite a nice mod!

7879	Duck Pants	Tom 7 (1)	Sat 12 May 2007 20:00
	Also, I agree, a nice first level!

7878	Duck Pants	Tom 7 (1)	Sat 12 May 2007 20:00	SPOILER
	Cook: My solution was a lot like mm's, the main cook being using a grey block to allow the 1/0 button to be pushed as many times as we like.

7877	Duck Pants	mm (690)	Sat 12 May 2007 18:41	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 652 moves (old: 686). This is fun to run! Nice first level!

7876	Duck Pants	mm (690)	Sat 12 May 2007 15:54	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 686 moves (old: 707).

7875	Duck Pants	mm (690)	Sat 12 May 2007 15:27	SPOILER
	Added speedrun: 707 moves (old: 765).

7874	Duck Pants	Rubric (1375)	Sat 12 May 2007 13:23
	'Duck Pants' uploaded by Rubric: This is my first try at a level. I haven't played a lot, so my gauge for difficulty vs. lameness may be off. Appreciate comments. By the way, one of my 4-year-olds named this level. The level has nothing to do with actual duck pants.